PB Breckinridge: So when did you first figure out you were a bit more then just the “average run of the mill bottom”, meaning that you saw yourself a bit differently?
Lukas Daken: I suppose forever, but I didn’t understand it at all. I grew up very sheltered from any LGBTQIA+ influences, so I had really no role models at all. I guess in my 20’s I discovered far more and realized I was a total bottom. Towards the end of my 20’s I started to accept that I wasn’t just a regular bottom, that this went deeper than that. Looking back on it I guess I always felt that way but didn’t understand the feelings at all.
PB: I grew up very sheltered as well, and being 55 years old there were not a lot of role models of people that were around and especially in the media. I knew before my very first sexual experiences, at 18 years old, that I was going to bottom, and when it happened it’s all I’ve ever done sexually. Was there a “trigger point” or something that happened that led to your understanding and realization of yourself?
LD: I don’t think there was one specific thing, I never enjoyed when I had to top. One day I just realized that I don’t have to. I had a lot of shame surrounding my sexuality. Sometimes I still do. There are good days and bad days—days where I wish I were just “normal”, whatever normal is. If you add non-conforming gender into the mix… well, it was a minefield. I don’t remember the first time I started using the word pussy for my hole. But it was along time ago. I would shyly, almost jokingly, say it to tops, to see their reaction. It was really unusual back then I think and so few guys were into it. Some were genuinely disgusted; which is bizarre, but also added to the shame I felt. Slowly though I started being more open about it. I knew I wanted to pursue this line and not live my life unfulfilled sexually.
PB: There have been a few times in my blog where I have written that the very first time I heard the word “pussy” in regards to a “man” was back in March 2020 in a @BigCMen and @DevinFrancoXXX Just For Fans video I stumbled on, on Pornhub. Cory made a comment about Devin’s pussy and the rest, as they say is history. But I’ve had cute nicknames in the three long-term relationships I have had including: kitten, baby girl, and even Mrs. But, like you that first time saying to a top, “fuck my pussy” I was terrified. Also like you I have had my share of mixed responses to my saying that. I’m assuming this was little before the start of your porn career.
LD: That was indeed.
PB: If I may what led to you doing porn?
LD: Boredom mostly! I wanted to try it. I probably craved some validation also, but really I just thought it would be exciting!
PB: I certainly would have given the chance back in my day too. Do you think there is real market I in gay porn for content…that is already being made for Just For Fans/Only Fans or other non-industry venues…where the term “pussy: or the like is used. Alessio Vega is one that comes to mind, but even he within the industry stuff he has done shies away from using the term like his non-industry stuff. If so do you think there is a reason behind it?
LD: I don’t know. I think potentially there is a market. But in the end porn studios are businesses and it might not be the best business model if it doesn’t a to appeal to a super wide audience. In the gay community there can be backlash or distaste for certain feminine things. We still with masc4masc syndrome to a certain extent I think, even though it’s changing slowly.
PB: I do think it is very slowly changing, and there are people leading the way. I’ve noticed it more in the last two years, and maybe just “need woke” to see this is a thing with real potential if a “nobody” like me can go from 2,000 followers to over 20,000 in two years time before my first suspension. I think there is a real market for it. My followers are really into it and I’m beyond grateful for it. You mentioned in your previous answer that in your private life about being more open saying in the heat of the moment about being pussy. Do you find more guys are into it now? What is your reasoning why?
LD: I think more guys are into it now. There’s less shame involved. People are dressing more fem. Social media has led the way slightly. People are making it “cooler”- we are no longer hiding in the shadows pretending we are all masculine. I still present pretty masculine because of decades of pretending, but I’m o longer afraid to BE feminine. It took some people with big followings to lead the way. People are less afraid of enjoying it; and why not? Femininity is amazing, who ever it’s presented in. Femininity is beautiful, strong, powerful—the opposite side of the same coin as masculinity. It SHOULD be celebrated just as much. You have/had 20,000 followers or elsewhere?
PB: I’ve to agree with you here on this, as it’s why I started tweeting the way I did two years ago, as I saw so little and then there was this whole “shame” side I completely disagreed with, as well as “being less than” side that I am completely against. We are just very different, and in my opinion, and we do it in such a great way. At one point I did have 20,000 followers on Twitter, but Twitter (the company) decided to suspend me with no real reasoning behind it. It’s why my tweets as so misspelled. I think for me is that I don’t see myself as a MAN, male maybe. There are certain things I will NEVER tweet; and shaming or degrading bottoms is one of them. Without us, there is no real for tops, but without tops there is no real use for us either.
LD: Absolutely. They (Twitter) suspended you for what?
PB: Oh lord, some convoluted “misgendering” charge; which the vaguely implied as I allegedly called bottoms “her, she and girls”, calling, it pussy, cunt…blah, blah, blah.
LD: Fucking hell. It makes me worried for my account, TBH.
PB: I think it’s just Twitter’s excuse for cracking down on gay content creators, as a whole, to be honest with you and especially those accounts that are SO m/m sex positive, which we both are! That’s what led to this interview, in all honesty, because you were/are the very first in your field using pronouns in your bio that identifies you as she/her; and now because of a previous and private conversation between you and I.
LD: I get paranoid about my account being removed TBH. It’s tricky.
PB: Do you think seeing yourself as “pussy” versus being seen a feminine/girly as two separate things, or as two similar things? I ask as there is this whole “kink notion” to both of these ideas. It’s not however that idea fully either. For example: “I’m wanting to be trans… which is a whole different topic IMO for somebody other than me. But I do identify in a big way being seen and identifying as a pussyboy, if that makes any sense and I’m sure it does to you.
I still get paranoid about being suspended and it’s why I deeply wish more people would follow my blog.
LD: Yes of course. Well I think it’s different, yes. I don’t think we are experiencing gender dysphoria , although I can’t speak for everyone. We are just experiencing a different gender experience to other males.
PB: That’s it exactly!
LD: But it’s unique to everyone. I can’t speak for others as everyone’s experience is different. It’s important to remember that I think.
PB: I know for me it isn’t dysphoria. I think all we can do is speak from our own experiences, in an honest way and if we are lucky other’s will learn and grow from it.
LD: Absolutely. Giving an honest open voice to our experience can open the way for others to be comfortable with their own (experience). I hope.
PB: I feel it is. It’s why I do what I do with the tweets and my blog. Did your embracing your feminine side come after you embracing this idea of having a pussy?
LD: Yes, I think so. The pussy came first, so to speak.
PB: Could you expand that a little; because not every bottom is pussy IMO.
LD: No, you’re right. I started to feel that my hole was a pussy. I felt it every time I got fucked. I stopped wanting to cum. It was then that I realized my role was more female than male.
PB: I wish I had known that there were others like me and that the language was there, the thinking was there for me for decades. The not wanting to cum, about n=being passive and submissive. For me, years ago, it wasn’t even about the other person who was topping me; it was just the fact that they wanted to have sex with me, and move unto the next person they were fucking.
It’s been since March 2020 that the thinking and understanding of what you’re talking about. Once the term pussyboy became part of my vocabulary, everything else clicked and it’s evolved so quickly. I’ve known my role is more feminine for nearly 40 years of having m/m sex, but NOW it’s understanding why that is.
LD: Did I help at all?
PB: You have helped tremendously, and I think my readers are going to enjoy and appreciate the insight. As we both know and when I first approached you, before this interview, because your Twitter bio had listed your pronouns as she/her. You’re the first person who has done what you did. Was that because of everything we’ve talked about…that led you to do that? And do you think your decision to do so had any effect on your work?
LD: Yeah it was. I think that my porn has gone in a slightly different direction now. I’m somewhere between mainstream and niche.
PB: That’s a good thing, isn’t it?
LD: Sure! I mean it’s a tricky line to balance on, but I’m enjoying it.
PB: I’ve only seen very brief video clips you post on your Twitter. So I’m curious, do you say “fuck my pussy” or other pussy talk in your porn? Is that the niche? The other thing I’m noticing in gay porn is chastity-devices, more independent y, but at least it’s there. Is this what you’re talking about, or maybe both?
LD: Both yes. Lingerie, chastity and pussy talk. (But) I’m not super verbal in sex, but yes being open about pussy.
PB: WOOF!!!!!! All of those things are of course on my list of huge turn-ons.
LD: That’s what I’m focusing on now, at least in my own porn.
PB: So, Only Fans/Just For Fans or somewhere else? As there was that attempted “porn purge” awhile back on Just For Fans, I believe it was.
LD: Only Fans, there was. Yes. But, yes on my fan sites and Pornhub.
PB: On Pornhub, just type in your name or do you have your own page on there? I haven’t been there that much since the company 
dumped so many videos. LD: I have my own page, yes; but you’ll also see studio work.
dumped so many videos. LD: I have my own page, yes; but you’ll also see studio work.
PB: Great. Do you think studios are becoming more receptive to the type of you and others are doing in regards to pussyboys?
LD: That’s a great question. I really don’t know. The pandemic meant I couldn’t for studios for over two years, and it’s in this time that I’ve gone my own direction! I’d be very interested to find if there any studios who are my kind of style tough.
PB: It would be interesting because most of the “pussy video”, lets call them, are independent. But the HUGE thing I’ve noticed here recently… in most mainstream gay porn is that the bottoms are not getting erect at all. They’re not touching themselves, and it’s as if there is a nod to this whole “pussy idea”, or at least a submissive side that it’s all about the tops pleasure.
On that note, do you think “kink” or what could be called “BDSM” play have any bearing on your thinking bout yourself, or is it two separate things? I’m curious as I’ve not seen anyone really ask this question before.
LD: I have the idea to do my own studio actually. So don’t give anyone (studios) the idea.
PB: I think you having your own studio and creating the type of content you ar doing could be HUGE!
LD: I hope so. I’m starting with just me, but then expanding.
PB: I think it’s a great idea.
LD: Thank you. I feel like I can reach an audience of people who will love it.
PB: Girls like us would come in droves!!!! There is I feel a HUGE untapped market. It’s why I’m wanting to include the theme of “being Daddy’s good girl” in the sequel to the book I helped co-author, “Size Kings”, but don’t tell anybody !
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